tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13173725.post3138332522164868264..comments2023-11-28T21:28:17.116-06:00Comments on THE OWL'S SONG: Is the Husband the Priest of the Home?Dorcas (aka SingingOwl)http://www.blogger.com/profile/15626748280614018533noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13173725.post-26293252675052265362014-05-09T22:40:34.105-05:002014-05-09T22:40:34.105-05:00Hey Allen...
So when "God told the family not...Hey Allen...<br />So when "God told the family not to eat of the tree, he spoke directly to Adam." How's that since Eve wasn't even created yet...<br />Genesis 2:16-18 "The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die." Then the LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him.""<br />Read your bible friend...Doug Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14185049712255138636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13173725.post-5866383239892137092013-12-31T14:21:52.071-06:002013-12-31T14:21:52.071-06:00Whoredom=Adultry=Homsexuality=What we have now. Ev...Whoredom=Adultry=Homsexuality=What we have now. Eve was not responsible for the fall of man. Eve was God's gift to man. Woman is still God's gift to men. The whole lesson of undermining women is the advesaries attempt to destory the love of God. You can tell a man's love of God by his respect or disrespect for women. The lesson of "Woman caught in midst of adultry" was how the minister's found themselves limp at the presence of Christ in the woman. The woman was accused of adultry by the men who could no longer use her for their purpose.Go home raise you children love yourself and your family, for everything else is what we have now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13173725.post-40635418613556554122012-04-14T10:40:21.951-05:002012-04-14T10:40:21.951-05:00That is what the KJV, and several other English tr...That is what the KJV, and several other English translations say, yes. But the original word for "desire" is (Anglicized version )TESUQUA. Tesequa means "turning toward." The wife will turn toward her husband, and he will dominate her (who is dominating who?) Scripture here seems pretty clear about who is going to dominate, and we have sen this over the centuries, all around the world. So what does this "turning toward" mean? Tesuqua is used in different ways in different passages, one of which is the Song of Solomon, "desire" and clearly sexual in nature. There are many interpretations. Calvin, for one, believed that this "turning toward" meant that the wife would seek to please her husband rather than God. I tend to agree. The MAN, not the woman, will dominate, and the woman will want to please the man--and neither is GOOD. This is all the result of the Fal, of sin, and is damaging. Is it wrong for a wife to want to please her husband? No, of course not. But I have many, many woman turn to their husbands in a way that was not healthy, godly, or right. Yep, it sure does matter that we look at what Genesis says. On that we agree.Dorcas (aka SingingOwl)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15626748280614018533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13173725.post-28151572639507267942012-04-12T16:06:58.443-05:002012-04-12T16:06:58.443-05:00I go back to Genesis:
"Your desire will be fo...I go back to Genesis:<br />"Your desire will be for your husband, but he will rule over you."<br /><br />This form of desire is NOT a sexual desire, but a dominating desire.<br />With this in mind, the way we interpret Scriptures on the subject suddenly take a different light, no?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13173725.post-43010893135156919712011-10-23T19:13:10.177-05:002011-10-23T19:13:10.177-05:00UK Reader,
Wow! I LOVE it when I get a comment on...UK Reader,<br />Wow! I LOVE it when I get a comment on a post I wrote years ago...and interestingly enough the times when that happens are just about always on my posts about gender and church or about marriage. In answer to your question, may I refer you to the link to "The Head of the Epistles"? There is a link to this in the blog post. Secondly, I tried to post a link and it wouldn't work, but you might visit the link in my sidebar to "Egalitarian Marriage." It will take you to a series of posts that were taken from sermons, but one of them is fairly detailed on why I DO beleive that the husband is the "head" of the wife, but I do not believe that means he gets to always lead or make decisions. Take a look at the posts. I hope they will help you. Thank you so much for reading and for your kind comment. God bless.Dorcas (aka SingingOwl)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15626748280614018533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13173725.post-79398021027156363732011-10-23T19:04:29.508-05:002011-10-23T19:04:29.508-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Dorcas (aka SingingOwl)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15626748280614018533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13173725.post-11495925311162913902011-10-22T09:48:45.761-05:002011-10-22T09:48:45.761-05:00Good article on husband as priest of the home. How...Good article on husband as priest of the home. However, further down you seem to disbelieve that the husband is the head of the wife even though its recorded in scripture. Have I read that right? Im not saying a wife should follow her husband into sin or unbiblical situations but are you saying a Christian husband does not have the decision making power in the household? As I said maybe I read it wrong or missed something?<br /><br /><br />UK reader.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13173725.post-54724949440388916722011-07-26T21:23:34.181-05:002011-07-26T21:23:34.181-05:00Jo, I was so excited to see yet another comment on...Jo, I was so excited to see yet another comment on this post, which was written three years ago! I'm praying for you right now. And your pastor as well.Dorcas (aka SingingOwl)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15626748280614018533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13173725.post-17329771501051990902011-07-26T03:32:33.815-05:002011-07-26T03:32:33.815-05:00Thank you for this blog - over the last few years ...Thank you for this blog - over the last few years I have cringed as my Pastor has proclaimed this 'husband is the priest of the home' - especially at weddings! Having always been taught this - I never really questioned it and its implications until fairly recently - and now - well - what nonsense!! It really has NO theological foundation and, as you said, is something that is usually quoted without even a hint of scripture. Time to bring it up with my pastor before the next wedding I think!! <br /><br />JoJo Royalhttp://www.joroyal.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13173725.post-48884524966300885812010-06-26T20:29:05.149-05:002010-06-26T20:29:05.149-05:00Grandpa, I just saw your comment, and that is a re...Grandpa, I just saw your comment, and that is a reasonable question. I am going to write a new post about it. Thanks for giving me a little poke about this--been meaning to do it for a long time.Dorcas (aka SingingOwl)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15626748280614018533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13173725.post-74499554858390966052010-06-15T03:22:43.086-05:002010-06-15T03:22:43.086-05:00Might you have some comments on the duties of a hu...Might you have some comments on the duties of a husband?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13236028260760364608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13173725.post-62269291469209293922010-05-18T17:46:27.733-05:002010-05-18T17:46:27.733-05:00Hi Allen, Nice to see that someone still is readin...Hi Allen, Nice to see that someone still is reading here after all this time. I agree that the to focus on whether the husband is or is not the "priest of the home" might be counterproductive. Yep, it is a family problem, and yep, the blame game began early. My intent is not to blame or point fingers. But it seems divisive to me, and counterproductive to genuine unity and walking together, to use phrases, and even concepts that are not biblical as tho they are.Dorcas (aka SingingOwl)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15626748280614018533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13173725.post-80650882821596117552010-05-09T20:29:02.942-05:002010-05-09T20:29:02.942-05:00Hello all,
IN an attempt to find scriptures that s...Hello all,<br />IN an attempt to find scriptures that support what I have been taught, I find none that supports the man being the priest of the home. However, I do notice that when God told the family not to eat of the tree, he spoke directly to Adam. When sin first entered the world, it entered into the family by disobedience. It was not a woman problem but yet a family problem. The blame game began and they tried to run from God and hide, creating a divide in the intamacy with God. To focus on the isssue of whether there is a priest in the home or not is not an issue at all, the issue is to keep the family/God relationship intact. To play the blame game or to argue over the leadership role is like giving the enemy exactly what he wants.<br />A house divided cannot stand!!<br />How can two walk in unity unless they be agreed.<br />AllenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13173725.post-14370152149557221282009-11-18T11:25:22.368-06:002009-11-18T11:25:22.368-06:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.SASChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07622415893422156499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13173725.post-54744919097572975412009-11-18T11:22:30.178-06:002009-11-18T11:22:30.178-06:00Hi. I am so glad that someone knows and speaks the...Hi. I am so glad that someone knows and speaks the truth. I have prayed and cried many times because of this teaching that husbands or men somehow had leadership and more spiritual authority than woman and wives. I knew God's heart did not match this false doctrine, but I could not explain it as well as how they could manipulate the scripture to support their well developed false doctrine. It's so difficult when you are married to a husband who chooses to believe this false doctrine because that is all he and everyone he knows to have been taught. I pray he let's God change His heart. If I can see the truth then he should be able to see it as well, but I know he chooses not to because then he would have to stand against his family, church, and everyone who believes this false doctrine. But, if he could only see that he wouldn't be standing alone when God and I would be standing on the side of truth. When you know the truth the truth sets you free. And, I thank you so much Singing Owl for taking the time to let the truth to be made known to all. Not many have the education and expertise to understand all of the greek and hebrew meanings for the bible and I am glad that someone wih the truth in their spirit has chose to do so for the freedom of both women and men.SASChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07622415893422156499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13173725.post-86120304034689592922008-07-08T23:18:00.000-05:002008-07-08T23:18:00.000-05:00****Smoootch******Egalitarian husbands have more f...****Smoootch******<BR/><BR/>Egalitarian husbands have more fun. Wink wink.Dorcas (aka SingingOwl)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15626748280614018533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13173725.post-44886005781334450962008-07-08T10:51:00.000-05:002008-07-08T10:51:00.000-05:00This is Bearded Eagle, Singing Owl's spouse. I am...This is Bearded Eagle, Singing Owl's spouse. I am VERY glad she is married. I am also VERY glad she has choosen to follow God before she follows me. I use to tell people she was following my directions, because I told her to use the gifts that God had given her and if she did not use them would she would not be in submission to me. Now I don't I just ask for chapeter and vwerse for that "Husband as Priest" role. I also ask if that means I don't have to take out the trash. <BR/>I hope that Anonymous Quits reading into the Bible based on his cultural bias, as has been done for centuries.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13173725.post-30635833303767539462008-07-05T12:50:00.000-05:002008-07-05T12:50:00.000-05:00This is so good to read singing owl. Thank you :)This is so good to read singing owl. Thank you :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13173725.post-58849353825456612522008-07-04T06:02:00.000-05:002008-07-04T06:02:00.000-05:00...AMEN! Thank you for this...AMEN! Thank you for thisSallyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01759963926280667938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13173725.post-86873898952923960342008-07-03T19:28:00.000-05:002008-07-03T19:28:00.000-05:00noticed this phenomenon at a church women's confer...noticed this phenomenon at a church women's conference on feminist theology, years and years ago. The young women (both of us) were enthusiastic; the 80-year-olds were enthusiastic; and the poor gals in between primmed up their mouths and said, "My husband would never allow that..." -- not "I don't agree with that"...great post, Owl, and I thank you.Crimson Ramblerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13020190454645032359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13173725.post-12846790430807485142008-07-02T22:28:00.000-05:002008-07-02T22:28:00.000-05:00Note to self: when bashing another on grammar, che...Note to self: when bashing another on grammar, check your own. The "or" should be "of."Theresa Colemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12134175277230355640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13173725.post-54988055963257182172008-07-02T22:26:00.000-05:002008-07-02T22:26:00.000-05:00Anonymous also has a wonderful grasp of grammar. T...Anonymous also has a wonderful grasp of grammar. That always lends veracity.<BR/><BR/>I would also be curious about exactly what conditions the writer of Ephesians was writing TO in this verse. I like the way the Message translates it, "The husband provides leadership to his wife the way Christ does to his church, not by domineering but by cherishing." This is free of the human perversion of hierarchy; in fact I might call any interpretation of this verse that encourages any form or denigration or oppression as sinful, as that is definitely not present in the Greek.Theresa Colemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12134175277230355640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13173725.post-36690193253238654362008-07-02T22:24:00.000-05:002008-07-02T22:24:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Theresa Colemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12134175277230355640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13173725.post-64833301817936890572008-07-01T20:18:00.000-05:002008-07-01T20:18:00.000-05:00Ruth, I bet I can guess. LOL!Ruth, I bet I can guess. LOL!Dorcas (aka SingingOwl)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15626748280614018533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13173725.post-83674106882305570622008-07-01T18:50:00.000-05:002008-07-01T18:50:00.000-05:00This is good Pastor. Thank you for taking the time...This is good Pastor. Thank you for taking the time and again as you told me not too long ago that the word head translated in Greek means something else.much2ponderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02392298165950651491noreply@blogger.com